Comments on: Endangered Desert Tortoise Must Flee the Advance of Solar http://solar.calfinder.com/blog/solar-politics/endangered-desert-tortoise-must-flee-the-advance-of-solar/ A blog about residential solar power, brought to you by CalFinder. Fri, 26 Aug 2011 10:36:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Southern California Desert: Solar Central | Green Energy Global - Daily Green Energy News http://solar.calfinder.com/blog/solar-politics/endangered-desert-tortoise-must-flee-the-advance-of-solar/comment-page-1/#comment-224544 Southern California Desert: Solar Central | Green Energy Global - Daily Green Energy News Sun, 24 Jul 2011 16:52:07 +0000 http://solar.calfinder.com/blog/solar-politics/endangered-desert-tortoise-must-flee-the-advance-of-solar/#comment-224544 [...] There also are environmental concerns with projects this big, including the existence of endangered species. In this case, the solar operators will have to relocate native desert tortoises. [...] [...] There also are environmental concerns with projects this big, including the existence of endangered species. In this case, the solar operators will have to relocate native desert tortoises. [...]

]]> By: randy http://solar.calfinder.com/blog/solar-politics/endangered-desert-tortoise-must-flee-the-advance-of-solar/comment-page-1/#comment-46705 randy Fri, 27 Aug 2010 19:58:42 +0000 http://solar.calfinder.com/blog/solar-politics/endangered-desert-tortoise-must-flee-the-advance-of-solar/#comment-46705 I hear about all the flack about these animals that can be moved,What about cleaner air for these animals?And for our children,I just cant believe the ignorance of some people!I see the pollution in the sky of Las vegas,and other cities.If our air isnt cleaned up we wont have to worry about the tortises because we are going to all die of Asthma or cancer! I hear about all the flack about these animals that can be moved,What about cleaner air for these animals?And for our children,I just cant believe the ignorance of some people!I see the pollution in the sky of Las vegas,and other cities.If our air isnt cleaned up we wont have to worry about the tortises because we are going to all die of Asthma or cancer!

]]> By: When Green Goals collide « The moon in daylight http://solar.calfinder.com/blog/solar-politics/endangered-desert-tortoise-must-flee-the-advance-of-solar/comment-page-1/#comment-33624 When Green Goals collide « The moon in daylight Fri, 05 Mar 2010 23:36:08 +0000 http://solar.calfinder.com/blog/solar-politics/endangered-desert-tortoise-must-flee-the-advance-of-solar/#comment-33624 [...] wild hogs?!  Next time someone wants to build one of these things I hope they find a snail darter, desert tortoise or spotted owl.  William Tucker, in The Unbearable Lightness of Solar Power at The Corner, writes: [...] [...] wild hogs?!  Next time someone wants to build one of these things I hope they find a snail darter, desert tortoise or spotted owl.  William Tucker, in The Unbearable Lightness of Solar Power at The Corner, writes: [...]

]]> By: EnergyRevolution http://solar.calfinder.com/blog/solar-politics/endangered-desert-tortoise-must-flee-the-advance-of-solar/comment-page-1/#comment-19072 EnergyRevolution Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:36:30 +0000 http://solar.calfinder.com/blog/solar-politics/endangered-desert-tortoise-must-flee-the-advance-of-solar/#comment-19072 How many men and maritime animals the Oilmadness costs their live, nobody asks that question? Look at these pictures and remember them the next time you're at the pump! http://www.thewe.cc/thewei/_/images11/insanity/remains_of_us_soldier.jpe http://www.thewe.cc/thewei/_/images11/us_invasion_2007/burnt_body.jpe http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8208735.stm http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aopISlYo9TyE You worry about the desert tortoise and mojave ground squirrel which will have 95% of desert remaining after all the energy is supplied by solar thermal power plants in the south west ... Sorry but it is only a matter of time until the broad public understands thatconcentrated solar thermal power plants and a high voltage dc transmission grid are the gentlest and in the long run cheapes way to provide our sociey with clean energy !!! The ridiculously high cost of nuclear power http://www.salon.com/tech/htww/2009/07/15/the_ridiculously_high_cost_of_nuclear_power/index.html To date, parabolic trough technology provides the best performance and lowest cost of all types of solar power plants. ... Since the first 14 MW trough plant was installed in California in the early 1980s, generating costs have dropped from 45 cents/kWh (in 2005 dollars) to 9–12 cents/kWh (competitive with peak power). Costs are expected to drop to 4–7 cents/kWh by 2020. http://www.nrel.gov/csp/pdfs/american_energy_pg30_desertsolar.pdf http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aopISlYo9TyE Change this planet and unleash the Solar Millennium!!! How many men and maritime animals the Oilmadness costs their live, nobody asks that question?

Look at these pictures and remember them the next time you’re at the pump!

http://www.thewe.cc/thewei/_/images11/insanity/remains_of_us_soldier.jpe

http://www.thewe.cc/thewei/_/images11/us_invasion_2007/burnt_body.jpe

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8208735.stm

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aopISlYo9TyE

You worry about the desert tortoise and mojave ground squirrel which will have 95% of desert remaining after all the energy is supplied by solar thermal power plants in the south west …

Sorry but it is only a matter of time until the broad public understands thatconcentrated solar thermal power plants and a high voltage dc transmission grid are the gentlest and in the long run cheapes way to provide our sociey with clean energy !!!

The ridiculously high cost of nuclear power

http://www.salon.com/tech/htww/2009/07/15/the_ridiculously_high_cost_of_nuclear_power/index.html

To date, parabolic trough technology provides the best performance and lowest cost of all types of solar power plants.
…
Since the first 14 MW trough plant was installed in California in the early 1980s, generating costs have dropped from 45 cents/kWh (in 2005 dollars) to 9–12 cents/kWh (competitive with peak power). Costs are expected to drop to 4–7 cents/kWh by 2020.

http://www.nrel.gov/csp/pdfs/american_energy_pg30_desertsolar.pdf

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aopISlYo9TyE

Change this planet and unleash the Solar Millennium!!!

]]> By: claudia sall http://solar.calfinder.com/blog/solar-politics/endangered-desert-tortoise-must-flee-the-advance-of-solar/comment-page-1/#comment-6224 claudia sall Tue, 17 Feb 2009 22:02:32 +0000 http://solar.calfinder.com/blog/solar-politics/endangered-desert-tortoise-must-flee-the-advance-of-solar/#comment-6224 let's remind folks to look at the blm map of the california desert: it's ALL of southern california. desert residents are being asked to sacrifice their quality of life while the urban centers won't put these arrays in their own yards. the only reason there is this huge propaganda directed at politicians and legislators to industrialize the desert is because of dollars: the blm land out here is almost free to use. if they built where the sun also shines in la, long beach, san diego etc, the land would have to be purchased. so is this about all the renewable energy zones in the california desert, or free land for corporations. i for one have had enough of enron-type corporate welfare. let’s remind folks to look at the blm map of the california desert: it’s ALL of southern california. desert residents are being asked to sacrifice their quality of life while the urban centers won’t put these arrays in their own yards. the only reason there is this huge propaganda directed at politicians and legislators to industrialize the desert is because of dollars: the blm land out here is almost free to use. if they built where the sun also shines in la, long beach, san diego etc, the land would have to be purchased. so is this about all the renewable energy zones in the california desert, or free land for corporations. i for one have had enough of enron-type corporate welfare.

]]> By: Jesse Hunter http://solar.calfinder.com/blog/solar-politics/endangered-desert-tortoise-must-flee-the-advance-of-solar/comment-page-1/#comment-5929 Jesse Hunter Mon, 09 Feb 2009 07:30:25 +0000 http://solar.calfinder.com/blog/solar-politics/endangered-desert-tortoise-must-flee-the-advance-of-solar/#comment-5929 TSE, It's kind of funny that you posed thinking too much onto the caveman... However, those who have the talent and inclination should be employed to thoroughly think about energy, industrialization, population, biosphere issues. I'm arguing on another blog against $50 billion in loan guarantees for new nukes. Enriching Sacrifices I agree that the first steps don't require Mega Solar- building weatherization; appliance/lighting upgrades, passive house design; ground-source heat pumps; roads-to-rail; biking; reducing meat intake to healthier levels or going veggie/ vegan; victory/community gardens, tele-commuting for those who can; localized solar PV & hot water on homes & businesses; large PV on commercial structures, parking lots; TRANSITION TOWNS; utility scale Wind, Solar, Geothermal also have their place; I love the SW deserts and have camped for many a night in them. My hope is that after we build these two mega Solar projects the arguments of funding new nukes will be finished, and of funding oil wars. We shouldn't say that if one loves the tortoise one favors spreading DU across Iraq to poison generations of living things forever, but we have done that for energy. I support those who oppose mega solar projects in their area or even in principal only. But if they oppose it with more energy than they do an oil war, a new nuke, mountaintop removal, and yet still use power, drive, eat non-home growns, I'd be less convinced. And while one hundred, two hundred or more miles is not local power, it is far more local than Saudi Arabian oil, Nigerian LNG, or Australian uranium. We are definitely in a tough spot. I hope we can aim to choose the most enriching sacrifices. TSE,
It’s kind of funny that you posed thinking too much onto the caveman…
However, those who have the talent and inclination should be employed to thoroughly think about energy, industrialization, population, biosphere issues.

I’m arguing on another blog against $50 billion in loan guarantees for new nukes.

Enriching Sacrifices

I agree that the first steps don’t require Mega Solar-
building weatherization; appliance/lighting upgrades, passive house design; ground-source heat pumps; roads-to-rail; biking; reducing meat intake to healthier levels or going veggie/ vegan; victory/community gardens, tele-commuting for those who can; localized solar PV & hot water on homes & businesses; large PV on commercial structures, parking lots; TRANSITION TOWNS; utility scale Wind, Solar, Geothermal also have their place;

I love the SW deserts and have camped for many a night in them. My hope is that after we build these two mega Solar projects the arguments of funding new nukes will be finished, and of funding oil wars. We shouldn’t say that if one loves the tortoise one favors spreading DU across Iraq to poison generations of living things forever, but we have done that for energy.

I support those who oppose mega solar projects in their area or even in principal only. But if they oppose it with more energy than they do an oil war, a new nuke, mountaintop removal, and yet still use power, drive, eat non-home growns, I’d be less convinced. And while one hundred, two hundred or more miles is not local power, it is far more local than Saudi Arabian oil, Nigerian LNG, or Australian uranium.

We are definitely in a tough spot. I hope we can aim to choose the most enriching sacrifices.

]]> By: Total Solar Energy http://solar.calfinder.com/blog/solar-politics/endangered-desert-tortoise-must-flee-the-advance-of-solar/comment-page-1/#comment-5240 Total Solar Energy Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:45:45 +0000 http://solar.calfinder.com/blog/solar-politics/endangered-desert-tortoise-must-flee-the-advance-of-solar/#comment-5240 We must do all we can to protect the natural habitat when building these large solar arrays. However, there is also a balance to achieve here. If we thought too much about things like this, we'd still be living in caves. We must do all we can to protect the natural habitat when building these large solar arrays. However, there is also a balance to achieve here. If we thought too much about things like this, we’d still be living in caves.

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